2005 Convention – Cliff’s List

Cliff’s List Convention 2005 Back in time, once the surface had cooled on the molten rock marking the inception of the seduction movement, a man named Clifford initiated an exclusive email list. This list was restricted to individuals keen on learning the techniques of seduction.

Known as Cliff’s List, the list stands as a hub within the seduction community, brimming with discussions and debates central to this craft.

In the latter part of 2005, a convention convened in Montreal, Canada. The invitees included some of the world’s most renowned pickup artists, dating gurus, and seduction experts. The outcome of this gathering is encapsulated in the Cliff’s List Convention 2005 DVDs.

These convention DVDs are available at for $249.85 + shipping (payable over 5 months at $49.97).

The arrangement of the DVDs is arbitrary. Each speaker is introduced through a brief interview discussing their perspective on seduction, how they entered the field, and their personal growth. Some are interesting, while others are dull.

Critics have accused the Cliff’s List program of being nothing more than a platform for the invited guests to promote their products. On this matter, I staunchly defend the convention by asserting that, indeed, it is. The presenters, including Patti, present their best content, offering a glimpse into their ideas and methods within the constraints of an hour.

Perhaps there are too many introductions. Admittedly, some presentations delve into basic theory. Nonetheless, there were highlights for me. Sensei (Lance Mason of Pickup101) delivered an enlightening hour on kino, brimming with practical techniques and useful applications. Zan, true to his enlightening self, provided an eye-opening presentation. Tyler Durden delivered an interesting and entertaining talk, touching on the inner emotional turmoil accompanying the journey to success with women.

David deAngelo and Mystery stuck to their usual, and it was satisfactory. Of course, if you wish to hear them speak, alternative products featuring these speakers are available (other Mystery Method representatives were present at the conference, bolstering its representation).

A notable aspect of this product is the inclusion of perspectives from lesser-known members of the seduction community. Whether you agree or disagree with their viewpoints, it’s all laid out for you. You might stumble upon a brilliant idea that had previously escaped your notice or a crucial piece of your own puzzle.

An appearance by Style is another highlight of these DVDs. As the recognizable face of the seduction community, he seized the stage to present some of his in-field material (such as Style’s EV). The interesting part was that not all of his tricks were successful, underscoring a crucial point about in-field material—it shouldn’t be overly significant.

Now, onto the drawbacks. Bishop, returning from the seduction wilderness, delivered a perplexing performance that failed to resonate with me. Brent, despite possessing a sound philosophy and ideas, appeared muddled. As I draft this review, the Cliff’s List Convention 2006 is in the works, and if Brent is part of it, I anticipate a commendable presentation. However, in the 2005 DVDs, he fails to articulate the strengths of his approach clearly, apart from a couple of nuggets of wisdom. Discerning viewers may find points of contention with many of the speakers.

And then there’s the routine, everyday content. Many of the experts reiterated the same information we’ve heard from them over the years. Again, good introductions, nothing more.

In summary, the Cliff’s List Convention DVDs exude the vibe of a couple of dozen introductions to various methods. Numerous high points and esteemed guest speakers outline the fundamentals of seduction methodology. So, is this the ultimate introduction to the game? Well, no. Far from it—it stands among the better intermediate products available. Individuals with acquired skills who can critically assess the content stand to gain the most from a set like this. If you’re seeking a new direction or some broad expertise (though not too deep) on a myriad of topics, look no further.

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